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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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734 for the 30th October

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2022 almost time for November Richard

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Saunders here coming to you from Sydney

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Australia which is sunny

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wow that's a change

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blue skies birds are singing go away

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Birds sometimes they sing too loudly

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sunny in Sydney but I know other parts

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of the country are still experiencing

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flooding rains hello to all my friends

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in Melbourne who

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I've had reported along the skeptical

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fairy Grapevine but they're still

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flooding and Rain problems in Victoria

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and Melbourne stay afloat my dear

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friends in Melbourne stay afloat

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now this week's show is a sort of a

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cycon special

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the committee for skeptical inquiry had

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their big convention in Las Vegas last

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weekend I uh I couldn't attend which is

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a Pity I love those sort of things but

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my friend Rob Palmer could attend and he

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kicks off this week's show with a series

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of short interviews he had roaming

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around the halls at the Flamingo Hotel

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in Las Vegas he speaks to one of the

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speakers he interviews one of the

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speakers Joe yuzinski who was there to

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talk about conspiracy theories he also

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chats to our friend Wendy Hughes about

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romance scams

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and one that you don't hear too much

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about maybe you should hear more about

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it there's lots of vulnerable people out

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there looking for romance online and you

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can imagine how um

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how vulnerable they could be so Wendy

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Hughes will talk to Rob Palmer about

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romance scams from a very personal point

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of view Rob also bumps into Adrian Hill

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and more about Adrian soon and finally

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he chats to an old friend of mine

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Professor Richard Wiseman

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and I have enormous respect for Richard

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Weissman I think he does fabulous work

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and he is a what we might call a top

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bloke a really nice guy to boot

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following that report it's Adrian Hill

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and she turns the tables she interviews

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Rob Palmer

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about uh being at cycon and his

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presentation on the Sunday papers which

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is the uh the uh Sunday afternoon uh

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presentations at uh conventions we used

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to have those at the amazing meeting too

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and Rob gave a presentation about The

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Great Australian psychic prediction

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project and he has sent me uh a video a

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YouTube link I'll put on this week's

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show notes so you can see Rob's

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presentation about the project for

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yourself thank you rob thank you for

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doing that on behalf of the Great

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Australian psychic prediction project

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and thank you Adrian Hill for running

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around scicon and catching up with Rob

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for That interview then to round off the

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show we dip back into Trove the Trove

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archives and find a report about Timothy

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UFO author and his books include Above

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Top Secret the worldwide UFO cover-up

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alien liaison and Above Top Secret

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speaking of uh as we were earlier the

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blue sky and the birds I don't know if

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you can hear that but there are some out

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my window at the moment having a big

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conversation about something maybe

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they're looking for UFOs have you heard

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the conspiracy theory that birds aren't

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is a what we call a power send-up it um

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you know people put out this crazy stuff

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on the internet knowing it's a joke and

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then some people take it seriously but

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there is a conspiracy theory that birds

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aren't real they're all robots or

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something like that so if you hear birds

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singing it's not real I think those ones

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have a nice tin of my

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the United States I found a new

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Outlet here in hello hello what's this

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what do you want

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it's Henrietta the skeptic Zone cat

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she's just walking up the stairs here to

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the studio hello

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are you okay there Henrietta I wonder

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while I do that I hope you enjoy the

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I'm wandering the halls of saikon on

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Friday and I ran into one of the

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speakers please introduce yourself and

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let us know what your talk is about hi

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I'm Joe yuzinski and I'll be talking on

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Saturday about conspiracy theories

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that's one of my favorite topics so I

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previously interviewed you in a

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pre-conference interview and I found the

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topics fascinating so could you hit the

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high point to what you're going to be

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speaking about so I love coming to

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scicon because I get to talk to

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like-minded people and be skeptical of

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things and we should certainly be

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skeptical of conspiracy theories but

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it's been four years since I've been

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here and we've been apart and I figured

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rather than coming out and talking to

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the choir I thought it would be a great

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idea to touch on some ideas where maybe

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so I'm going to be talking about

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the media narrative about conspiracy

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theories that's taken shape over the

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last few years one which gained a lot of

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popular support the idea that conspiracy

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theories are more believed now than ever

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that they're being driven by social

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media and all sorts of terrible things

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are happening simply because of those

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conspiracy theories so I'm going to take

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that narrative and put it to the test

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with empirical data I've been gathering

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over the last decade and I think there

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might be some members of the audience

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who are going to disagree with me I'm

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sure there'll be some other speakers who

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disagree with me but I'm going to keep

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what I'm doing tied to the data so which

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talks of the speakers beside yourself

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are you most interested in attending

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Wiseman this morning he was talking

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about you know we don't really see the

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world as it is we see the world through

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our psychological filters right and that

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leads us to have very biased impressions

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of what we see and that's I find that's

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certainly the case with conspiracy

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theories we all believe what we want to

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believe we all believe what makes sense

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to us and rarely is is that tied in any

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way to evidence it's interesting all

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right well thank you very much for

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talking with us thank you

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I found someone else who is new to cycon

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this is her first psychon conference uh

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little bit about yourself why why are

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you here at saikon perhaps this is the

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first conference uh skepticism

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five or six years partly because of the

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pandemic but also some changes in my

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life death in the family but but just I

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needed to be here and Susan

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Susan Susan is my dear friend and we've

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and that and we had discussions about it

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and I and I wasn't sure because I'd

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never come to scicon before but I'm so

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glad I'm here it feels too and thank you

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it's so nice after knowing people online

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and feeling like we are friends mostly

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through Susan's online trivia game every

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trivia the Thursday night trip that

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would be Friday in Australia that's

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right and and because it's International

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yes and but to be in the same room

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together now so what was what was the

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talk we just came from that was the talk

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we just came from uh was Richard Dawkins

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bestowing

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a prize on Neil deGrasse Tyson it was

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amazing I mean it was like these giant

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brains Heroes of our of our our little

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to these to to hear them joking around

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they're like normal people you know to

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get to see them be that way and and they

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were kind of bickering about how many

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honorary doctorates Neil deGrasse

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Johnson has and that was so much fun to

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that we've been able to see just so let

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both at earlier in the day Susan garbick

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her presentation and amazingly your

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photo popped up there why was that I had

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a personal experience that it was

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humiliating and I I had to go through my

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it and Susan and this is published in

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skeptical inquire online so Susan she

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said submit it submit it you know like

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and I'm going okay and Barry Carr read

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the draft and he said wow he didn't even

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know about romance scams so that's

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interesting he had not heard of the

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concept no and he said this is certainly

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something different from what we usually

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it was judging by the response to this

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article I think it's it's agreed that

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this particular concept deserves

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world as much as the you know people

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future or what do they call psychics

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people with their loved ones mediums and

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because it's all scams and and so it

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online the week of the week of this

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conference yes and so Susan I was

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Susan's present station next to you and

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the pictures on the on her screen that

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she included the story about my article

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in the in her presentation I was honored

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and it felt so good and was so I mean I

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was laughing I saw the emotion on your

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um I'm I am honored to have a you know

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this little article in in a skeptical

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people because I personally as I've told

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people have and they don't like talking

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also consumer protection and this is

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certainly the part of consumer

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protection right science communication

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and consumer protection I'm I make that

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clear in the beginning of the article

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that that the elevator pitch for any of

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these conferences when when the other

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tourists see us walking around with our

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badges is to is to ask like what is

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cycon what is what is skepticism or like

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in Tam for example for years and the

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amazing meeting that is the amazing

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meeting that we needed an elevator pitch

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to try to explain what we're doing here

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and skepticism we say is the

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intersection of Science and consumer

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protection and I pretty much have

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adopted that as my orientation as a

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hobby skeptic that that's what I'm

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interested in and that was where I was

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coming from with the article thank you

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for asking me about it fantastic that

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you're doing that and uh enjoy the rest

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of the conference likewise thank you

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very much

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this is an addendum if you'd like to

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find Wendy's article you can Google a

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skeptic trips over a romance scam by

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Wendy Hughes

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it's late Friday night and I'm wandering

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the halls of scicon after seeing Richard

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Dawkins interview Neil deGrasse Tyson

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and I met somebody that may be familiar

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to skeptic Zone listeners hello please

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introduce yourself hi I'm Adrienne Hill

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from Canada

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I think I've maybe heard your voice

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sometime on the Skeptics on podcast yeah

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every once in a while every once in a

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while wait a minute can I count on you

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right now I'm not sure my brain is

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rather dead it's been a crazy couple

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days but awesome so this is not your

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first time at a cycon right it is not

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this is my second time the first time I

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went was 2018 and I met you it's the

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first time I met you I do recall that's

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when you were a show for banacheck and

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got up on stage and did whatever he said

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exactly that was a surprise but rather

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fun and I still don't know how he

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managed that trick but he's magic he's

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magic clearly magic so what what have

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you thought of this year's conference so

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it's Magnificent the deGrasse Tyson last

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night his

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speech went over time so we didn't get a

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q a and I was actually really happy

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about it because he was so amazing were

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you going to ask a question no

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maybe that's why I was okay with it but

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no I just he was so entertaining and so

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engaging I was quite happy that he

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carried on and so tonight was the second

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night we heard from him yes you want to

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talk about that I thought it was very

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good I thought his I enjoy the lecture

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style but the back and forth between him

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and Richard Dawkins was was pretty good

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too I find Richard Dawkins a very

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entertaining Soul himself okay let me

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say that again I find him a very

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entertaining person

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I do recall somehow one of them used the

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phrase Soul yes and it jumped out at me

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as odd right did Neil say that like you

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can look into I'm going to look at your

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soul through your eyes or something like

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that yeah yeah maybe that was stuck in

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my head

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and of course I

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so excited first thing this morning was

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Richard Wiseman who I'm a huge fan of

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and of course our good old friend Susan

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gerpick was amazing as usual lots of

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energy and great talk and Kenny Biddle

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Kenny Biddle is awesome how could I

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forget Kitty

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can't forget Kenny and his talk was

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really and what are you looking forward

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to for the rest of the conference

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I'm really excited about hearing from

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fellow Canadian Timothy Caulfield

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tomorrow because he is not only Canadian

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but he's from my province of Alberta so

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he's a fellow albertan and there's a

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great lineup of speakers so I'm I'm just

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looking forward to the whole day and I'm

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actually really excited about there's a

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speaker on Sunday

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and

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talk about a really important topic

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which is The Great Australian psychic

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prediction project I think I've heard

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something about that yeah and maybe you

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were connected with that just a little

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bit

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but I'm not talking about it it's

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someone called the unknown skeptic I

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don't I don't think that's it no maybe

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it's Rob Palmer

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the unknown

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so actually you're going to see your

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article on the screen and you're gonna

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see your face up there oh my

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well thank you for the shout out in

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advance okay and thank you very much for

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this interview awesome it's great to see

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you again in person I'll be listening

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for you on the Skeptics app

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the session in honor of James Randy an

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honest liar just ended and look who I

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found wandering the Halls it's me

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Richard Wiseman You Found Me wandering

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the hoes aimlessly wandering the hose

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trying to find their way back to the

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hotel that was a great session when an

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hour and a half I wasn't expecting it to

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be that long first a starter off with a

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Massimo interviewing Davey and then you

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took over and you want to talk about

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that part of it uh yes so I was talking

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to Massimo and Davey who's Randy's

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partner uh to Tyler Nissan who made the

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documentary and to Banacek um because he

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was in Fulton projectile you got to do

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some magic for us well he did some

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amazing pork bending it's metal bending

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there and twisting I've never even heard

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of that he did he did some twisting and

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it was uh it was great we had some some

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clips of Randy haven't been seen before

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and yeah it just felt like a really

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lovely celebration not only of his work

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which is obviously

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within skepticism but Randy is a person

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so it was a lovely event absolutely it

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was very moving especially the David

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part oh that when David was talking the

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two three people in front of me were

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exercising the audience at that point to

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crying their eyes out

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so yeah he's he's he bought a dimension

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to it he's very nervous about being here

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oh okay he's not usually in the

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spotlight exactly he's an artist so he

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doesn't yeah speaking uh so it was

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lovely that he was involved we just

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spent the last couple of days hanging

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out with him and talking as a sort of a

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Charming wonderful person

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so many great memories because you

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forget Randy was involved in every

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important moment of skepticism you know

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in the last 60 70 years and and David

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was was with him for that time so he's

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met everyone he's been involved in

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everything and it's great to get his

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perspective on it absolutely plus the

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Alice Cooper thing which is not

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skepticism but that was amazing oh most

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people have not heard of that I'm sure

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oh really oh yeah I know Randy toured

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with Alice Cooper chopping his head off

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the big dealer team on a nightly basis

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so yeah it's great and and the

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documentary on his liar is is superb so

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he has a cliff of that and Tyler gave us

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perspective on that so yeah it felt like

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it was something you wouldn't see

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anywhere else and for people who don't

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know by the way Paula Serrano who has

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been on the skeptic Zone uh she did the

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Spanish subtitles for that documentary

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there we go I did not know that so no

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it's a wonderful documentary highly

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recommended won lots of awards so yeah I

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felt like a special event I don't think

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you'd see anywhere else and we did it

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and you also did a talk yourself I did

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it's the other day tell us a little bit

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about that I did my investigating the

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impossible talk where we look at Magic

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and the Paranormal which is the sort of

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standard Take On The Impossible and then

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I look at it and go it's really

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interesting that we can't even represent

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the impossible in our heads which is why

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we can understand magic and think about

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paranormal stuff and that kind of

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celebrate that notion turn it around and

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talk about how that allows us to think

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of seemingly impossible things and then

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go out and do it for real an example I

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gave was the Apollo moon landing yes but

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when I talk about that normally it's

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about changing people's lives and how

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sometimes we go oh that's impossible but

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actually often we can do it fantastic

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thank you very much I'm glad I caught up

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with you again here enjoy the rest of

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the conference thank you

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thank you

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the Australian Skeptics annual National

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Convention skepticon 2022 will be held

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on December 3rd through 4th the first

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weekend of December go to the ticket

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sales page at skepticon.org dot a u to

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choose full in person one day in person

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the event will be held at the National

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Library of Australia the theme is

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skepticism in a changed world and the

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lineup of speakers includes Claire

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klingenberg president of the European

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Council of skeptical organizations the

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hosts of European Skeptics podcast and

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live stream Talks by Skeptics Guide to

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the universe host Dr Steven Novella and

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skiptoid host Brian Dunning

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there is also a wide variety of domestic

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speakers including Major General Mike

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Ryan retired who will be speaking on

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science fiction and Security

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Professionals author David dufte on

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radio girl act Academy of sports

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psychologist Christine Dunn on

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superstitions in sport controversial

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author Clive Hamilton on being censored

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and many more scientific and skeptical

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topics for full details visit

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[Music]

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you can count on Adrian

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hello this is Adrian Hill reporting from

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cycon 2022 and who have I found here but

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Rob Palmer hello Skeptics on listeners

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and I've been tasked with interviewing

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Rob about all the work he has done he's

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been quite a busy person not only during

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the conference but leading up to the

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conference you were busy interviewing

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everybody that was going to be speaking

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I believe it was everybody was it not

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well you mean the pre-conference

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interviews I did for the skeptical

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Inquirer magazine that is correct all

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right no I did 12 of the speakers and

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there's in in previous years that might

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have been a number that would have

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caught everybody but since they did this

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conference my recollection is speakers

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used to have an hour and most of the

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people this time had a half hour but

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it's the same amount of time and so

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therefore there were almost double the

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number of speakers there were some

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one-hour sections for Neil deGrasse

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Tyson and Richard Dawkins talking to

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Tyson and the uh James Randy homage yes

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but all the regular speakers got the

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maximum of a half hour and therefore we

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got so many more people so I interviewed

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12 of those people which was a

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significant amount but but not all of

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00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:20,760
them but very interesting I watched most

552
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:23,820
of them and I loved it I thought it was

553
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,760
a it was a really good way of getting

554
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,159
excited about the conference I I was I

555
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:30,840
was hoping that would be it I wanted to

556
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,480
find a way to help them promote the

557
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,220
conference to people who were on the

558
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,960
fence especially because of the pandemic

559
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:39,600
about coming so what I did is I looked

560
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,120
over the speaker roster myself realized

561
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,159
how much time I had left to go it was

562
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,840
about two months at that point maybe two

563
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:47,760
and a half and I said okay how many can

564
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:49,799
I get you have to schedule interviews

565
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:51,960
with people not available instantly and

566
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,419
I said well let me see maybe I can get

567
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,700
about 12 in and I sent the list to Barry

568
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:58,799
Carr and I said these are the people I

569
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:00,360
think I'd be interested in or maybe it

570
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:02,580
was ten and then I said and by the way I

571
00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:04,260
would love to interview Neil deGrasse

572
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,940
Tyson and Penn but I don't think you

573
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:07,860
should even bother asking them them I

574
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:09,299
said no I'll ask them anyway I don't

575
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:10,380
think they'll say yes I think you're

576
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,120
correct and then the first person to

577
00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:13,679
respond is Neil deGrasse Tyson I believe

578
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,299
I'd love to do it with you and then the

579
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:17,340
next one is pen it was amazing yeah

580
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,900
those were that was amazing both

581
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:21,120
interviews I thought were fascinating so

582
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,220
were those the sort of two because they

583
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:24,480
were so surprising were those your

584
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,740
highlights or was there anything else

585
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:27,480
surprising you found out well there were

586
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,220
they were all interesting I think Neil

587
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:31,679
was the most surprising and I spent the

588
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:32,940
most time with him just because when

589
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,200
else am I going to get to talk to me

590
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:36,600
authorized Tyson in a captive audience

591
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,419
yes right uh he's very generous with

592
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,159
this time I've seen that here people

593
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:43,200
come up to him and he will talk to them

594
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:45,419
like their friends it is quite amazing

595
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,640
but he he probably could have talked for

596
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:49,080
two hours for me and I I knew I was

597
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,159
going to try to cut these interviews

598
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,799
down to at most 40 minutes we went on

599
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,919
for an hour and 20 or so that's amazing

600
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:57,720
it was amazing and he was just very

601
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:00,179
friendly and it was it was just a

602
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,460
surprise and it was also my first one oh

603
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,380
that was your that was my first one yeah

604
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:06,480
so the big name of the conference was my

605
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,279
first one and then Penn was shortly

606
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:11,039
after that he agreed it took a while to

607
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,779
get a time because they're very busy

608
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:15,120
Penn and Teller with his agents but that

609
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:16,740
was another big one because I've seen

610
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:18,179
their shows and I was always so

611
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:19,980
impressed and I get to interview Pat

612
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:22,440
exactly but the other thing is

613
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:24,179
unfortunately most of my in real life

614
00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:25,980
friends when I told him the big news I'm

615
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:27,419
going to get to interview Neil deGrasse

616
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:28,700
Tyson they go who

617
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:31,380
oh no I guess I shouldn't bother to tell

618
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:32,580
you any of the other scientists I'm

619
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,140
interviewing because if you don't know

620
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:36,900
Neil deGrasse Tyson and then I said well

621
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:39,179
how about you know pen from Penn oh yeah

622
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,340
that's amazing so everyone knew that

623
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,200
that's awesome yeah though I think that

624
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,000
was a wonderful thing you did and you've

625
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:47,400
also been really busy interviewing a lot

626
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,220
of first-time attendees from what I

627
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:52,860
understand and watching the conference

628
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,659
yourself do you have any what was your

629
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:56,400
favorite moment of the conference do you

630
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,440
think I think the Highlight was Neil

631
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:00,900
deGrasse Tyson's Cosmic perspectives I

632
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,340
think that was the title it was

633
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:04,080
basically about where are we really fit

634
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,400
in with the universe

635
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,140
and you had an hour to talk about that

636
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,320
and that was really great and then he

637
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,659
had another hour on the stage with an

638
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,520
interview by Richard Dawkins with him

639
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,320
and it was really interesting banter

640
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:19,039
between them it was yes

641
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:21,659
lots of joking between the two of them

642
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,460
and the other highlight of course

643
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:25,320
happened to be somebody who presented

644
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:27,000
something about The Great Australian

645
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:28,980
psychic prediction project oh you

646
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,020
scooped me that was my next question

647
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:33,960
because we had today the Sunday papers

648
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:36,600
which I think is a highlight and a lot

649
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,299
of people unfortunately leave because

650
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,039
they have to get back to work and maybe

651
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:43,380
it's a long way to get home but I think

652
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,140
a lot of people don't go because they're

653
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,760
not really understanding what's

654
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,860
happening part of it is just people

655
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:52,140
think the conference is over so if

656
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,700
you're listening then you're coming to

657
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:56,220
scicon don't miss the Sunday papers

658
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:59,580
because to me some of those talks are

659
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:01,380
real highlights I've been twice to

660
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:04,500
psychon Once in 2018 and this time in

661
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:07,980
2022 I loved it and of course I'm a

662
00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:10,980
little biased but I think my favorite or

663
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:12,779
at least one of my favorites was

664
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,299
definitely yours rob it was wonderful I

665
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,279
think it was really really well done is

666
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,960
that because your face was up on the

667
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,360
screen for a moment there and the name

668
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,039
on the top of one of those there you go

669
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:25,279
I think it was the waffle

670
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:29,340
that's right my zoom backdrop was me

671
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,100
with a big waffle behind me so tell us

672
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,559
what you've talked about well so this

673
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:37,500
topic should be of interest and nobody

674
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,000
in the skeptic Zone should be surprised

675
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,880
because it was Richard Saunders project

676
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,320
The Great Australian psychic prediction

677
00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:44,940
project which has been talked about a

678
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,220
lot in the skeptic Zone Richard started

679
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,460
off many many many years ago and then by

680
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:52,980
collecting paranormal predictions and

681
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:54,659
then it came to the point of having to

682
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,080
score nearly 4 000 predictions and he

683
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,480
realized it would take a large effort

684
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:02,240
over a long period of time or a big team

685
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:05,580
and so as the lockdowns from the

686
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,520
pandemic started he with the aid of

687
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:10,320
Susan garbick organized an international

688
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:14,279
team of Skeptics to review all the

689
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:16,440
predictions he had collected and

690
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:18,600
collectively decide on a scoring for

691
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,659
each of the predictions so I reported on

692
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,760
this project everything from the data

693
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,220
collection to have how we scored and

694
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:27,960
what the results were yeah and of course

695
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:30,120
you included some of the most fun

696
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:34,020
predictions such as the predictions that

697
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:37,080
Trump or Biden was going to win it's up

698
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,059
to the people to decide how that one

699
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,039
ended yeah but the most amazing one that

700
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:42,600
shows sometimes these people don't know

701
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:44,760
what the hell they're talking about is

702
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,940
that after his election and this would

703
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:50,039
be you know his the actual only election

704
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:52,140
Trump won after his election he would

705
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,700
leave the White House voluntarily

706
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,559
because he just got fed up with it yeah

707
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,600
these people don't know Donald Trump's

708
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,580
personality because he lost an election

709
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:01,559
and still wouldn't leave that's right

710
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,380
exactly right and the other amazing

711
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:05,940
absolutely astounding and I don't

712
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,080
understand what goes through people's

713
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,480
heads people's as me meaning people who

714
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:11,220
claim they have psychic abilities is the

715
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:14,279
one that anti-gravity will no longer be

716
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:16,620
just a pipe dream of Science Fiction but

717
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:18,360
will be available to everyone basically

718
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,299
and this was from 2001. did anyone buy

719
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:23,039
an anti-gravity machine that I'm unaware

720
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:26,279
of not that I'm aware of and the psychic

721
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,200
who made that prediction marked herself

722
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:31,200
as correct in 2001. and I think the

723
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,059
audience appreciate it there are lots of

724
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:36,120
laughs there were lots of size groans

725
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:38,100
that type of thing and I think the other

726
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:39,779
thing that's really cool or really

727
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:42,840
interesting about the the papers the

728
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:45,419
Sunday papers is you only have 15

729
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:49,020
minutes to talk so it's goes by freaking

730
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,480
fast did you find that really hard well

731
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,799
it's the third time I did it with the

732
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,480
same time limit and

733
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,640
not wanting to be yanked off the stage

734
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,159
because I was running late and my

735
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:01,200
predisposition is to do everything very

736
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:04,260
formally I had a little a printout of

737
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:05,940
what slide I needed to be on by what

738
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:08,460
time to make it to 15 minutes so every

739
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:10,380
fusilizer looked down at it to see if I

740
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,820
was ahead of the schedule behind the

741
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:14,159
schedule so it was reasonably easy

742
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,659
keep up that way and you were right on

743
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,179
time yeah so that that was interesting

744
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:19,679
and one other thing when when you put

745
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,960
this to apply for the Sunday papers it's

746
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:23,820
a multi-step process

747
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,580
you send in a proposal and then they

748
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,559
Whittle down whatever number of

749
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,480
proposals they get to something like

750
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:32,159
double the number of people they're

751
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:34,860
actually going to choose right so if you

752
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,840
pass that first filter they send you an

753
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:39,360
email that says congratulations you know

754
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,860
we would like to now see your

755
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:42,539
presentation and then you have something

756
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,220
like two weeks to do the presentation

757
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:46,799
and by the way also write a paper worthy

758
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,140
of publication on that topic if you

759
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,880
don't really have something prepared

760
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,860
that's a lot to do in two weeks

761
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,240
especially depending what your work life

762
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,640
is like I did it every single time I've

763
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:58,320
done it on a paper I already published

764
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:00,539
in skeptical inquire so that was already

765
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,539
done right I just point them to that so

766
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:05,520
I just just had to make the presentation

767
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,340
which I was able to do yeah it was

768
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:11,159
excellent but then because there is a

769
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,419
reasonable chance at that point it's

770
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:14,700
about 50 50 that it would be accepted

771
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,899
and you'll actually talk I didn't want

772
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,000
to say I wasted the time so I reached

773
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,520
out to other organizations that I know

774
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,679
are interested in this kind of topic and

775
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:24,779
I have already presented a longer

776
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:26,580
version of it since I had the 15-minute

777
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,140
version I was going to be the only

778
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:30,480
speaker at these events I put a lot more

779
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,760
interesting stuff about things they

780
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,740
missed and things about Queen Elizabeth

781
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:37,260
and things about religion that they got

782
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:40,740
wrong and you know it was a lot a deeper

783
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:42,419
dive into the details that I had did not

784
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:43,860
have time for here right so I actually

785
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:45,000
thought those are better presentations

786
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:46,980
but yeah 15 minutes here and that's all

787
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,779
you could do which is a skill yeah you

788
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,179
have to do the the meat of it and cut

789
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,220
out any extras well I think you did a

790
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,960
good job of that thank you so it was

791
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,240
very very interesting I I did a hat

792
00:33:01,789 --> 00:32:59,039
trick this year in fact and I think this

793
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:01,799
is a suck on record I was the only

794
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,899
person I know about to speak three times

795
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:06,000
in a row of course we didn't have

796
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:07,080
confidence in the last two years right

797
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:08,820
but the the three conferences that were

798
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:12,419
held in a row which was 2018 19 and 22.

799
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:14,279
I spoke at the Sunday papers each time

800
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,140
and it was a thrill to do that I was

801
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:17,760
very honored but it is disappointing as

802
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,140
you mentioned that so many people have

803
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,480
left yes it is probably a third of the

804
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,000
people maybe in the audience by that

805
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,919
time and yes some of it is because

806
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,480
especially if you're flying back to the

807
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,240
east coast I'm leaving tomorrow to do

808
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:32,880
that in my flight so at 11. so you just

809
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:33,960
you have to be at the airport two hours

810
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:35,399
early that's right that's what happens

811
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:37,620
even if you stayed through Sunday you're

812
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,940
not going to be leaving late in the

813
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,840
afternoon otherwise you're going to

814
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,880
arrive after midnight right

815
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:44,399
but I do think the conference could do a

816
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:47,399
better job of explaining what it is so

817
00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:49,980
that people in advance you know before

818
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:51,960
they book the airline tickets know that

819
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:53,100
it's something that they should stick

820
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:54,659
around to say you know I'm hoping I see

821
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,980
that in the future exactly this year

822
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,960
they actually made an improvement it's

823
00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:59,700
the first time on the official schedule

824
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:02,340
on the website that they put the

825
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:04,260
schedule for the Sunday paper so that

826
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,460
when you click in the schedule Sunday

827
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,559
papers it popped up everyone was going

828
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:09,359
to be there yes that had never happened

829
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:11,399
before now it went on fairly late this

830
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:12,540
year and maybe they'll do a better job

831
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:13,740
next year for that and more people will

832
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:16,679
study it would be nice to have an insert

833
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:19,619
with the program so an insert might be

834
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:21,240
might be appropriate that's a good idea

835
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:23,460
I I believe the original pamphlet that

836
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:25,320
gives a schedule and all of that is

837
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,760
printed way in advance because I know

838
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,800
who the speakers are but the process to

839
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:30,659
become a Sunday paper speaker is not

840
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:34,139
settled until I think it's the last day

841
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,599
of the month of September which is then

842
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,879
less than three weeks before right so

843
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:40,320
that would be hard for them to wait I

844
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,359
think to print that by then probably but

845
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,339
I think an insert could be doable right

846
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,899
right just something last night one

847
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,099
sheet of paper and added to everything

848
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,080
right good idea let's send this to Barry

849
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,480
Carr for next year

850
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:52,679
it sounds good

851
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,800
there's one interview I don't think you

852
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,359
were expecting to get this weekend

853
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,000
during the conference yes you when I

854
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,700
came out to you in the hallway and I

855
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,040
said can I interview you as a conference

856
00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:08,160
attendee I didn't expect that and you

857
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,859
said yes I don't know surprise surprise

858
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,140
I don't know what order it's gonna go on

859
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:15,660
but oh you're silly there's somebody

860
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:17,480
else it was a little more important

861
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:21,480
maybe you're referring to somebody named

862
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:25,380
Dawkins that's the one because I had a

863
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:28,740
very excited Rob Palmer run up to me he

864
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,980
is a tough fish to reel in I I have at

865
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,020
previous conferences attend attempted

866
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,240
this and it just didn't work he was very

867
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:38,460
busy basically he fluffed me off and say

868
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,980
talked to his his scheduler didn't have

869
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,660
time and I didn't pursue it very heavily

870
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,180
after that I got lucky he was in the

871
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:47,520
book room and it was not a very crowded

872
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,380
room so nobody was near him let me try

873
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:51,839
one last time I said do you know about

874
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:53,640
the skeptic Zone the podcast from

875
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:56,760
Australia no but I'm going to Australia

876
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,099
so that might be interesting to talk

877
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,320
there and he said I said you want to do

878
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:03,359
that now yeah so we went to the little

879
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:05,220
room next door and we did a short

880
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,260
interview that's awesome I'm really

881
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,180
looking forward to hearing it again

882
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,060
because of course Rob did play it for me

883
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,579
well I think that's everything for today

884
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:17,760
until next time this is Adrian Hill from

885
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:22,320
Las Vegas cycon 2022.

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00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:31,880
[Music]

887
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,619
Carrie is it oh yes hi I'm Carrie I am

888
00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:36,960
psychic Ross and I will be reading you

889
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,900
this evening oh interesting well okay I

890
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:42,060
co-host a podcast it's called Ono Ross

891
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,740
and Carrie yes I'm sensing that the

892
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,960
spirits are telling me it is a show

893
00:36:50,329 --> 00:36:47,940
about well it's about like fringe

894
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,339
science and spirituality and kinds of

895
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,740
the Paranormal oh you knew that you do

896
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,780
research online but more importantly

897
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:56,940
like we do in-person investigation

898
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,220
investigate as well oh my God that's

899
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:01,440
amazing you see me and my friend this is

900
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,480
so weird my friend Ross same name as you

901
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:05,520
weird he and I just go and try them all

902
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,900
out and actually we've gone to a number

903
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,700
of psychics and to be honest with you

904
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,040
it's a lot like this it's called owner

905
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,320
Ross and Carrie they can find it at

906
00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:14,160
maximumfun.org I could have told you

907
00:37:21,550 --> 00:37:16,230
that

908
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:23,850
all right

909
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:29,930
now it's time once again to look into

910
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,900
those archives that Trove the

911
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,800
trove.nla.gov dot a u the online

912
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:36,300
resource from the Australian government

913
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,060
to the National Library of Australia who

914
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:41,280
worked very hard to digitize thousands

915
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,800
upon thousands of newspapers articles

916
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:45,680
and so on going back

917
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:47,480
centuries

918
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,520
this week I thought we'd look up an

919
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:53,760
article written about uh an author

920
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:55,619
Timothy good

921
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,460
now if we go to wiki and we look up Mr

922
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:02,520
Good Timothy good we find that Timothy

923
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:05,940
good born in 1942 is a British author on

924
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:10,740
UFOs his books include Above Top Secret

925
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:15,200
the worldwide UFO cover-up alien liaison

926
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,020
and Beyond top secret all published by

927
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:22,140
sidgwick and Jackson good has made many

928
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:23,940
television and documentary appearances

929
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:26,760
critics challenged the reality of his

930
00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:29,099
writings

931
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,320
he is also a career violinist

932
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,000
and if we look down the page a little

933
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:38,160
bit we find criticisms

934
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:41,460
uh Martin bridgestock who I know Martin

935
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,520
Bridge talk Dr Martin Ridgetop is a very

936
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,160
well respected Australian skeptic Martin

937
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:49,619
bridgestock in a review of Above Top

938
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,440
Secret the worldwide UFO cover-up for

939
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:54,240
the skeptic which is the journal from

940
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:55,880
Australian Skeptics in

941
00:39:02,089 --> 00:39:00,119
1989 identified two of the book's

942
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,099
Central ideas

943
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:04,980
that unidentified flying objects UFOs do

944
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:07,800
exist and are spacecraft from other

945
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,579
worlds and there is a worldwide cover-up

946
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,359
about UFOs with Security Agency seeking

947
00:39:20,829 --> 00:39:17,700
to suppress evidence Bridge talk

948
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:20,839
included that the book is

949
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:24,900
not a clear rigorous survey of the

950
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:27,839
evidence for UFOs it is a polemical

951
00:39:33,609 --> 00:39:30,660
volume which seems to be devoted to

952
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:33,619
making the case for UFOs and a cover-up

953
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:37,320
seems as convincing as possible however

954
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,960
inspection of the thesis puts forward in

955
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,060
the book and checking of a few cases

956
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:44,760
with other sources seemed to show that

957
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:47,820
the book is not reliable and its

958
00:39:56,109 --> 00:39:50,460
conclusions cannot be trusted however

959
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,119
let's turn the clock back to the year

960
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,800
1992 so

961
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:01,500
uh barely three years after Martin

962
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,320
bridgestock was riding in the skeptic

963
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,960
and we find in the camera times from

964
00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:09,480
Wednesday the 12th of February in the

965
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:12,260
midweek magazine section Dangerous

966
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:16,800
Liaisons with aliens rabbits and flying

967
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:19,740
sauces Timothy Goode believes we are

968
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,800
regularly visited by ETS as Carl

969
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:25,440
mccrystal discovers

970
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:33,589
Timothy Goode has been described as a

971
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,619
quote manic end quote whose quote she'll

972
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:40,800
yappings and quote are believed only by

973
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,640
quote some normal people end quote this

974
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,079
makes him smile

975
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:48,000
all the way to the bank

976
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,420
he has two strings to his bow as an

977
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,579
accomplished violinist he was with the

978
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,400
London Symphony Orchestra for 14 years

979
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,859
and has played under many famous

980
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,480
conductors

981
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:03,180
beside the window of his Beckham flat

982
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,060
hangs a picture of Beethoven in front of

983
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:08,760
the window is a camera clamped to a

984
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:11,579
tripod the powerful telephoto lens

985
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,119
points to the sky somewhere up there are

986
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,060
creatures which provide the Bose second

987
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:19,440
string

988
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,300
extra terrestrial biological entities

989
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:27,119
Mr good is a student of flying sources

990
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:31,880
aliens and of what he asserts is a near

991
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:34,619
impenetrable conspiracy by governments

992
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,339
to hide the truth as a UFO buff he has

993
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,560
profited handsomely from books on the

994
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:43,140
subject two things prompted me to meet

995
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:45,480
him the first was a letter from his

996
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:48,380
literary agent Andrew Loney

997
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:52,619
lamenting that quote it is easy to poke

998
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:57,000
fun at Tim and quote who deserved quote

999
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:00,180
a fair hearing end quote the second was

1000
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:03,240
his appearance on a Scottish Hillside

1001
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:06,900
last week of the world's first Monument

1002
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:09,780
to a visit by a UFO

1003
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:12,680
the metal plaque in West Lothian

1004
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,740
commemorates the 1979 sighting of a

1005
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:18,359
spaceship

1006
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,560
which overpowered a forestry worker tore

1007
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:25,079
his clothes and gassed him before

1008
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:26,400
speeding off

1009
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:29,700
it so happens that Tim Good's father who

1010
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:33,839
worked in radar shared an RAF camp with

1011
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:34,920
quote

1012
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,300
known during and after World War II

1013
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:43,560
Arthur Clark was called a complete

1014
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:46,380
Nutter in those days Mr Good says

1015
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:49,859
pleasantly UFO monitors tend to get

1016
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:53,280
mocked mercilessly reaction can be at

1017
00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:55,380
best skeptical

1018
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:58,619
at worst a howl of ridicule

1019
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,099
in his latest book alien liaison the

1020
00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:04,800
ultimate secret about to be released in

1021
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:07,859
paperback in Britain Arrow four pounds

1022
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:11,280
99 Mr Good describes conversations which

1023
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:14,760
others have had with beings from outer

1024
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,300
space adding boom highly evolved

1025
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:20,640
spiritually these people were down to

1026
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:22,619
earth in the sense that they enjoyed

1027
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,740
Creature Comforts and thank heavens they

1028
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:27,359
had a sense of humor

1029
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:29,819
his own sense of humor helps him cope

1030
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,359
with reviewers one of whom wrote of an

1031
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:35,579
earlier volume Above Top Secret the

1032
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:39,780
worldwide UFO cover-up quote I do not

1033
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:42,599
know how many trees were cut down to

1034
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:44,300
produce this

1035
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:48,599
590 page diatribe but I wish they had

1036
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:52,140
been left standing Mr Good's ideas are

1037
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,560
those of a Maniac end quote

1038
00:44:02,750 --> 00:43:58,560
the alien liaison

1039
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:02,760
of alien liaison the same writed cleared

1040
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,839
quote it is painful to turn to the

1041
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,480
shrill yappings of Timothy good the

1042
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:11,640
thesis which he shouts rather than

1043
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,760
argues is that aliens are constantly

1044
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,920
visiting Earth and that the US

1045
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:19,920
government is covering them up

1046
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:23,660
really only mentally subnormal people

1047
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:27,720
could believe in it end quote

1048
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:31,260
another reviewer founded quote credulous

1049
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:34,440
bunk end quote most reviewers are Kinder

1050
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,280
however

1051
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:38,160
his literary agent a military historian

1052
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,140
with knowledge of intelligence matters

1053
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,839
sent me a photograph of his client which

1054
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:44,099
resembles

1055
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:47,180
Captain Kirk of the Starship Enterprise

1056
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,000
in the flesh she seems less exotic tall

1057
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,940
gray-haired pale serious courteous

1058
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:56,880
softly spoken he wears An Elegant gray

1059
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:00,960
suit and a dark blue tie his hands are

1060
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:04,260
long inhalers the fingers tapering

1061
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:09,300
artistically there is a sty on his right

1062
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,740
eyelid

1063
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:12,900
the bedroom which he shares with his

1064
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:15,720
girlfriend a teacher has a wall lined

1065
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,380
with UFO books in the hall are shells of

1066
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,079
classified documents from many parts of

1067
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,960
the world and folders of newspaper and

1068
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:27,839
magazine clippings along the wall in the

1069
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:31,859
living room a Hi-Fi equipment LPS and

1070
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:34,440
tapes against another it's a word

1071
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:38,339
processor near the sky probing camera or

1072
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:40,500
a music stand supporting sheets of bark

1073
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,520
an art deco china cabinet and an

1074
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,280
enormous Hi-Fi speaker he serves coffee

1075
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:50,400
in Red Cups and sticks a cigarette into

1076
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,140
a holder

1077
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:55,680
Mr Good Now 49 had just entered his

1078
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,859
teens when a cousin in American computer

1079
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:01,140
research sent him a book about space

1080
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:04,859
aliens I was immediately excited he says

1081
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,740
there had been reports of military and

1082
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:10,560
civilian airline pilots that the general

1083
00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:14,280
public wasn't aware of to date 3500

1084
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:17,720
sightings since the 1940s the majority

1085
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,819
remained classified in the interests of

1086
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:22,680
National Security the various government

1087
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:26,099
agencies say but details of some have

1088
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:27,300
been released

1089
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:30,540
he shows me documents he obtained using

1090
00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:33,060
the U.S Freedom of Information Act from

1091
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,700
the Pentagon North American Aerospace

1092
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Defense command and other sources

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sanctions have been blacked out by the

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sensor

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his pursuit of quote the truth end quote

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00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:49,980
that UFOs exist and their occupants

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00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,380
actually walk the earth

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and that governments know a lot more

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00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:56,359
than they're prepared to acknowledge

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00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,859
intensified after he left the London

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00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,920
Symphony Orchestra in 1978 he still does

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00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:03,900
session work including television

1103
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,780
commercials and films in 1983 he

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00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:08,579
published an extraordinary volume about

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00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:12,540
UFOs at his own expense 2 000 copies

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00:47:19,329 --> 00:47:16,260
were sold bringing in a tiny profit his

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00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:19,339
research has taken him into the Pentagon

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00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:23,640
and the White House office and has

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00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,060
talked sometimes inconclusively to the

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CIA Military Officers and space

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00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:30,720
scientists

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Above Top Secret published by sidwick

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and Jackson in 1987 and later by Grafton

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books went to the top of the best seller

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00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:44,280
list in Britain and Australia and has

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00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:45,780
since done well in the United States

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00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:48,420
Canada Germany and Japan

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00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,619
alien liaison two is likely to be a

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00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,540
commercial success nineteen thousand

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hardback sales already

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00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,160
it is dedicated to Britain's former

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Chief of Defense staff admiral of the

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00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:05,520
fleet Lord Hill Norton whose

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introductory comments include the words

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I have known Timothy good for about 10

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00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:14,400
years during which I have formed the

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00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:16,500
opinion that he is both honest and

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00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:20,160
reliable I am quite sure that he is not

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00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:21,960
a nutcase

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00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,240
the book is by its nature weird

1131
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:28,920
referring for example to alleged

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00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,520
encounters between ethereans occupants

1133
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,520
of UFOs and two American Republican

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00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,720
presidents

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00:48:42,829 --> 00:48:39,359
Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan

1136
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,839
according to Mr Good's informants during

1137
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,359
an unscheduled visit to the Edwards Air

1138
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:47,880
Force Base in California Eisenhower was

1139
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,240
taken to Hangar 27 where a flying saucer

1140
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:53,579
and its occupants were housed the

1141
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:56,760
ethereans had the same proportions as

1142
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,160
humans and were able to breathe our

1143
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:01,920
atmosphere Mr Good Records

1144
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,440
they spoke English and supposedly

1145
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:06,540
informed the president that they wanted

1146
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:10,680
to start and educational program for the

1147
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,839
people of Earth then reportedly

1148
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,240
demonstrated their paranormal Powers by

1149
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:17,760
making themselves invisible causing

1150
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,180
Eisenhower considerable embarrassment

1151
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,400
[Music]

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00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:26,160
Ike who often had difficulty stringing

1153
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,440
sentences together could have used an

1154
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:31,440
educational program ditto Ronald Reagan

1155
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,119
in 1974 according to Mr Good the then

1156
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:38,760
Airborne governor of California saw

1157
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:40,920
quote a big light

1158
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:43,920
and good and ordered the pilot to give

1159
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:45,180
Chase

1160
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:47,420
we followed it for several minutes

1161
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:51,420
Reagan is reported as having said

1162
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:55,140
all of a sudden to our amazement it went

1163
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,940
straight up into the heavens

1164
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,280
we got off the plane and I told Nancy

1165
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:02,220
all about it eight years later while

1166
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:05,099
viewing the film E.T in the White House

1167
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,280
President Reagan whispered to the

1168
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,520
producer Stephen Spielberg there are

1169
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:14,040
probably only six people in this room

1170
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,260
who know how true it is

1171
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:18,900
Mr Good says I haven't actually

1172
00:50:23,530 --> 00:50:21,240
confirmed that last bit with Spielberg

1173
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:23,540
but I will

1174
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:27,000
then there is Jimmy Carter's sighting

1175
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:30,060
during his 1976 Presidential election

1176
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:33,060
campaign Carla announced that he had

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00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,000
seen a UFO in 1969. I asked Mr good

1178
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:41,640
did you know about Jimmy Carter's giant

1179
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,700
rabbit end quote

1180
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,359
no

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00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:47,400
well towards the end of his presidency

1182
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:50,099
he declared that while out in a boat

1183
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:53,880
fishing on a lake in Plains Georgia he

1184
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:56,579
was attacked by a giant rabbit it came

1185
00:51:03,650 --> 00:50:58,920
swimming towards him and he had to head

1186
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,660
for the shore to avoid being capsized oh

1187
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:06,119
Mr Good says wondering if I'm mocking

1188
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:08,280
him I'm not

1189
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:11,579
I suspect a large part of Mr Good's

1190
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,040
struggle is trying to lift the UFO

1191
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:15,839
subject out of the realm of

1192
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:16,980
entertainment

1193
00:51:22,730 --> 00:51:20,280
out there a 1990 book by the former New

1194
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:22,740
York Times journalist Harris bloom

1195
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,640
whose work the Englishman admires is

1196
00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:29,400
being made into a Disney film a former

1197
00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:32,579
U.S astronaut Edgar Mitchell who has

1198
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,480
claimed that important information on

1199
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:37,680
extraterrestrials is being suppressed by

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00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,440
his government ended up on the Oprah

1201
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:43,200
Winfrey Show when Mr Good himself

1202
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:45,540
appeared on a British television

1203
00:51:50,170 --> 00:51:48,660
discussion recently one of his

1204
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:50,180
interloculars

1205
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:55,200
the pop scientist Heinz wolf described

1206
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:59,520
Mr Good's work as quote bollocks end

1207
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:00,480
quote

1208
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,680
but while critics tease he points to the

1209
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:07,440
fact that American scientists will begin

1210
00:52:13,849 --> 00:52:11,640
a 10-year 100 million dollar project

1211
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,859
this October using the most

1212
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:15,960
sophisticated listening devices to

1213
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,319
search for alien civilizations the NASA

1214
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,180
project will be called

1215
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:24,480
seti search for extraterrestrial

1216
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:29,160
intelligence rhyming with Yeti another

1217
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:31,020
elusive Quarry

1218
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:34,680
I suggest to the violinist there is a

1219
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,099
contradiction here on the one hand he

1220
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:40,800
claims that U.S official them has firm

1221
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:43,680
evidence of extraterrestrials while on

1222
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,400
the other the official agency NASA is

1223
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,160
setting out to test their existence he

1224
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:53,339
concedes there is a tremendous argument

1225
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,280
against everything I'm saying but he

1226
00:53:02,089 --> 00:52:58,619
nods confidently that his folders of

1227
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:02,099
classified CIA material showing UFOs to

1228
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:05,700
be a high priority matter Mr good as

1229
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:08,960
enlisted helpers from all over the world

1230
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:12,059
including Chinese and Russians

1231
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:14,220
their sightings are published in his

1232
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:17,640
annual UFO report which he edits in it

1233
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,140
he identifies hoaxes some but not all

1234
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,200
crop circles and explores other

1235
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:29,040
phenomenon in my new detail including

1236
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:32,040
scientific evaluation of photographs and

1237
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:35,760
videotapes of quote aberrations end

1238
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,000
quote I have read all this stuff with a

1239
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:42,119
fairly open mind even the account of the

1240
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:46,140
removal by aliens of a cow's utter and

1241
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:47,640
vagina

1242
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:50,880
Mr Good does not seem dogmatic about his

1243
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:53,880
material or his qualifications for

1244
00:54:02,270 --> 00:53:57,359
analyzing it I left school with 13 in

1245
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:02,280
maths O Level he says as the quote Fair

1246
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:07,500
hearing end quote ends he murmurs I hope

1247
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:10,380
I am not a fanatic and again this comes

1248
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:12,540
from the camera times dated the 12th of

1249
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:15,720
February 1992

1250
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,160
so over 30 years ago

1251
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:22,680
and now Mr good

1252
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,579
80 years old and in all the years he's

1253
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,740
been producing UFO books and doing

1254
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,720
television appearances and interviews

1255
00:54:36,130 --> 00:54:33,599
and collecting items and so on

1256
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:36,140
the evidence still

1257
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:40,200
does not support his conclusions after

1258
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:44,760
decades and decades and decades and on a

1259
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:47,640
TV interview I found online Timothy good

1260
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:51,720
describes himself as being an authority

1261
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,859
on UFOs and aliens and I can imagine all

1262
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:57,599
those years ago when this interview was

1263
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,119
conducted that if you were to say to

1264
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:02,400
Timothy good or other UFO Believers at

1265
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:03,660
the time

1266
00:55:09,950 --> 00:55:07,319
uh something like I will give you ten no

1267
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,960
I'll give you 20. no I'll give you 30

1268
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:11,579
years

1269
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,400
to confirm your suspicions your beliefs

1270
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:19,680
your conclusions or whatever do you

1271
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,780
think within the next 30 Years it'll be

1272
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,000
just accepted that UFOs are here and

1273
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:26,400
aliens are real and with main contact

1274
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:28,500
they would have undoubtedly said yes of

1275
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,500
course absolutely no doubt about it and

1276
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:33,359
even today you'd probably find the same

1277
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:36,780
thing if you happen to come across a UFO

1278
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,040
uh exponent and say well I'll give you

1279
00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:46,250
well who knows huh who knows within the

1280
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:48,980
next 30 Years using our

1281
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:51,839
Advanced telescopes we may be able to

1282
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:54,599
spot evidence of

1283
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,059
another civilization altering Planet

1284
00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,640
somewhere out there in the cosmos

1285
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:02,040
which is one thing the next thing of

1286
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:03,900
course is have they bothered traveling

1287
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:05,220
to Earth

1288
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:08,550
maybe they have better things to do

1289
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,440
[Music]

1290
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:15,720
well there you go another interesting

1291
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:18,660
find just flipping through the pages

1292
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:22,140
doing various searches I must admit I

1293
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:24,359
stumbled across this article because I

1294
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:27,780
was running a search for the word hoax

1295
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:30,540
can the word hoax appears

1296
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,319
article so well it just goes to show

1297
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,180
that when you go to Trove or other

1298
00:56:43,350 --> 00:56:39,119
online newspapers you never

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00:56:43,360 --> 00:57:04,490
[Music]

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00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,589
[Applause]

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00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:08,400
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:10,380
Zone podcast Henrietta the cut is back

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00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,140
hello hello what do you want you want to

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00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,720
scratch

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00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:16,559
oh

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00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,359
she doesn't know what she wants thank

1307
00:57:21,370 --> 00:57:19,920
you to those people who continue to

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00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:21,380
support the skeptic Zone at

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00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:24,420
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very soon I think

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I think it's time I upgraded my main

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device I do what was that

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00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:39,960
what are you doing on the stairs

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00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:42,900
she's got the zooms cat lovers cat

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00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:45,240
owners will know what I mean sometimes

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Zoom around

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I'm going to upgrade

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00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:51,180
I'm going to buy a new iPad before long

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I think I've had this current one for

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about not six years five years

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00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:00,359
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00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:04,559
is done on the iPad the writing of the

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00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:07,260
web page the research mostly is done on

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00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:11,160
iPad it's a very uh very useful device

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so your contributions mean I can upgrade

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and hopefully even provide you

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00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:18,780
what is it

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00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,339
she's got that look in her eye

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00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,680
hopefully provide you with a better

1332
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:28,559
listening experience what is it there's

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00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,540
a poor coming around the door this is

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00:58:33,490 --> 00:58:31,920
getting yes

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00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,500
yes

1336
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:36,240
this is complete yeah now there's a port

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00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,809
I've lost my train of thought thank you

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00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:43,440
Henrietta

1339
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,440
thank you I think she wants my job

1340
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:49,140
but to sum up what I'm trying to say

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00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:50,579
thank you to all those people who do

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00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:54,059
support the skeptic Zone off she goes

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00:58:58,930 --> 00:58:55,799
coming up on next week's show more

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00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:58,940
reports from Rob Palmer in Las Vegas me

1345
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:02,160
as you heard he got to interview all

1346
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,660
sorts of people

1347
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,119
but for this week I better go out and um

1348
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:08,700
run around after Henrietta the cat maybe

1349
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,500
she wants some more breakfast I don't

1350
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,140
know but for this week this is Richard

1351
00:59:20,589 --> 00:59:15,900
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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00:59:27,609 --> 00:59:22,910
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views and opinions expressed on the

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skeptic zone are not necessarily those

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of Australian Skeptics or any other

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skeptical organization

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hello this is Adrian Hill

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it

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is I told you I I don't need scripted

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that's funny by your name that's all you

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[Laughter]

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it's not like it was a joke before that

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all right people have been drinking a

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lot here have you been in the bar yeah

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the bar of water